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Saturday 16th Dec 2017

We'e going to do something a little different this time; you have a homework assignment!

Below are five pitching ranking lists, using five different scoring systems, all based on last season's final stats. Your task is to decide which set best reflects how you feel pitchers should be ranked. In other words, if you were to join a new fantasy league, which league would you prefer to join based on these rankings? Please feel free to share your opinion in the comments.

On Friday, I will reveal the scoring system that generated each set and discuss which is my favorite.

And yes, for those wondering, if not assuming, the impetus of this is the craziness that is the closer chaos this season, which actually makes the fact the discussion will occur in the column titled Organized Chaos a bit apropos.


Justin Verlander Justin Verlander Justin Verlander Justin Verlander Justin Verlander
Clayton Kershaw Clayton Kershaw Clayton Kershaw Clayton Kershaw Clayton Kershaw
Roy Halladay Cliff Lee Roy Halladay Roy Halladay Roy Halladay
Cliff Lee Roy Halladay Cliff Lee Cliff Lee Cliff Lee
Jered Weaver Jered Weaver Jered Weaver Jered Weaver Jered Weaver
James Shields James Shields James Shields James Shields James Shields
Ian Kennedy Ian Kennedy Ian Kennedy Ian Kennedy Ian Kennedy
Cole Hamels Cole Hamels Cole Hamels Cole Hamels Cole Hamels
Dan Haren CC Sabathia Dan Haren Dan Haren Dan Haren
CC Sabathia Tim Lincecum CC Sabathia CC Sabathia CC Sabathia
Matt Cain Dan Haren Matt Cain Matt Cain Matt Cain
C.J. Wilson C.J. Wilson C.J. Wilson C.J. Wilson C.J. Wilson
Ricky Romero Josh Beckett Ricky Romero Ricky Romero Ricky Romero
Josh Beckett David Price Josh Beckett Josh Beckett Josh Beckett
Tim Lincecum Matt Cain Tim Lincecum Tim Lincecum Tim Lincecum
Doug Fister Ricky Romero Doug Fister Doug Fister Doug Fister
Tim Hudson Yovani Gallardo Tim Hudson Tim Hudson Tim Hudson
David Price Felix Hernandez David Price David Price Craig Kimbrel
Craig Kimbrel Zack Greinke Tyler Clippard Tyler Clippard David Price
Felix Hernandez Gio Gonzalez Felix Hernandez Felix Hernandez Felix Hernandez
Yovani Gallardo Madison Bumgarner Yovani Gallardo Yovani Gallardo Yovani Gallardo
Madison Bumgarner Doug Fister Jonny Venters Madison Bumgarner Madison Bumgarner
Daniel Hudson Tim Hudson Mike Adams Craig Kimbrel Daniel Hudson
Gio Gonzalez Matt Garza Craig Kimbrel Jonny Venters Gio Gonzalez
Hiroki Kuroda Jon Lester Madison Bumgarner Daniel Hudson Hiroki Kuroda
Jeremy Hellickson Mat Latos Daniel Hudson Gio Gonzalez Jeremy Hellickson
Johnny Cueto Hiroki Kuroda Gio Gonzalez Mike Adams Johnny Cueto
Ryan Vogelsong Daniel Hudson Hiroki Kuroda Hiroki Kuroda Ryan Vogelsong
Tyler Clippard Michael Pineda Jeremy Hellickson Jeremy Hellickson Drew Storen
Ervin Santana Cory Luebke Johnny Cueto Johnny Cueto John Axford
Shaun Marcum Anibal Sanchez Ryan Vogelsong Ryan Vogelsong Ervin Santana
Drew Storen Ryan Vogelsong David Robertson Ervin Santana Shaun Marcum
Zack Greinke Chris Carpenter Drew Storen Shaun Marcum Zack Greinke
Jon Lester Ervin Santana Ervin Santana Zack Greinke Jon Lester
Mike Adams Shaun Marcum Shaun Marcum Jon Lester Chris Carpenter
Jonny Venters Craig Kimbrel John Axford David Robertson Mariano Rivera
John Axford Javier Vazquez Zack Greinke Chris Carpenter Jose Valverde
Chris Carpenter Brandon Beachy Jon Lester Drew Storen Justin Masterson
Justin Masterson Tyler Clippard Sean Marshall Justin Masterson J.J. Putz
Matt Garza Johnny Cueto Chris Carpenter Matt Garza Matt Garza
Kyle Lohse Tommy Hanson Jose Valverde Sean Marshall Kyle Lohse
Mat Latos Justin Masterson Justin Masterson Kyle Lohse Mat Latos
Javier Vazquez Jeremy Hellickson Matt Garza Mat Latos Javier Vazquez
Mariano Rivera Ted Lilly Kyle Lohse Alfredo Aceves Alexi Ogando
Alexi Ogando Wandy Rodriguez Mat Latos John Axford Joel Hanrahan
Fernando Salas Brandon Morrow Eric O'Flaherty Javier Vazquez Fernando Salas
J.J. Putz Alexi Ogando Javier Vazquez Alexi Ogando Francisco Cordero
Jose Valverde David Robertson Alfredo Aceves Eric O'Flaherty Michael Pineda
Michael Pineda Vance Worley Alexi Ogando Fernando Salas Brandon McCarthy
Alfredo Aceves Jonny Venters Mariano Rivera Michael Pineda Jonathan Papelbon
Joel Hanrahan Mike Adams J.J. Putz Mariano Rivera Tyler Clippard
Brandon McCarthy Scott Baker Fernando Salas Cory Luebke Jair Jurrjens
Cory Luebke Jaime Garcia Michael Pineda Brandon McCarthy Josh Collmenter
David Robertson Jordan Zimmermann Cory Luebke J.J. Putz Cory Luebke
Francisco Cordero Brandon McCarthy Joel Hanrahan Jose Valverde Heath Bell
Jair Jurrjens Colby Lewis Brandon McCarthy Jair Jurrjens Matt Harrison
Josh Collmenter Derek Holland Jair Jurrjens Josh Collmenter Jordan Zimmermann
Matt Harrison Kyle Lohse Koji Uehara R.A. Dickey Alfredo Aceves
R.A. Dickey Matt Harrison Josh Collmenter Matt Harrison Ted Lilly
Jordan Zimmermann Bud Norris R.A. Dickey Jordan Zimmermann R.A. Dickey
Ted Lilly Koji Uehara Matt Harrison Ted Lilly Mike Adams
Jonathan Papelbon Josh Collmenter Jordan Zimmermann Joel Hanrahan Jonny Venters
Sean Marshall Alfredo Aceves Ted Lilly Jason Motte Vance Worley
Vance Worley Jhoulys Chacin Greg Holland Vance Worley Jaime Garcia
Heath Bell Gavin Floyd Jason Motte Francisco Cordero Wandy Rodriguez
Eric O'Flaherty Max Scherzer Jonathan Papelbon Koji Uehara Tommy Hanson
Jaime Garcia R.A. Dickey Francisco Cordero Greg Holland Ryan Madson
Wandy Rodriguez Greg Holland Francisco Rodriguez Francisco Rodriguez Anibal Sanchez
Tommy Hanson Jair Jurrjens Sergio Romo Jim Johnson Kyle Farnsworth
Anibal Sanchez Sergio Romo Vance Worley Jonathan Papelbon Scott Baker
Francisco Rodriguez Fernando Salas Antonio Bastardo Sergio Romo Mike Leake
Jason Motte Mike Leake Jim Johnson Jaime Garcia Sergio Santos
Scott Baker Jonathan Papelbon Scott Downs Wandy Rodriguez Mark Melancon
Ryan Madson Sean Marshall Heath Bell Tommy Hanson Jordan Walden
Greg Holland Kenley Jansen Jaime Garcia Anibal Sanchez Mark Buehrle
Kyle Farnsworth John Axford Ryan Madson Scott Downs Derek Holland
Jim Johnson Eric O'Flaherty Wandy Rodriguez Antonio Bastardo Colby Lewis
Mike Leake Antonio Bastardo Tommy Hanson Scott Baker Francisco Rodriguez
Koji Uehara Philip Humber Anibal Sanchez Edward Mujica Randy Wolf
Mark Melancon Aaron Harang Edward Mujica Heath Bell Jhoulys Chacin
Mark Buehrle Drew Storen Scott Baker Grant Balfour Brandon League
Derek Holland Erik Bedard Daniel Bard Mike Leake David Robertson
Colby Lewis Vinnie Pestano Rafael Betancourt Ryan Madson Brandon Beachy
Antonio Bastardo Jeff Samardzija David Hernandez Rafael Betancourt Gavin Floyd
Randy Wolf Jason Motte Grant Balfour Daniel Bard Jeff Karstens
Jhoulys Chacin Sergio Santos Mike Leake Jesse Crain Jason Motte
Sergio Santos Edward Mujica Joel Peralta Kyle Farnsworth Neftali Feliz
Sergio Romo Randy Wolf Mark Buehrle Mark Buehrle Sean Marshall
Edward Mujica Chris Capuano Derek Holland Derek Holland Philip Humber
Brandon Beachy Tim Stauffer Colby Lewis Colby Lewis Josh Tomlin
Gavin Floyd Al Alburquerque Jesse Crain Mark Melancon Ivan Nova
Jordan Walden Jesse Crain Randy Wolf David Hernandez Jim Johnson
Jeff Karstens Bartolo Colon Jhoulys Chacin Randy Wolf Greg Holland
Scott Downs Rafael Betancourt Mark Melancon Jhoulys Chacin Guillermo Moscoso
Philip Humber Francisco Rodriguez Kyle Farnsworth Brandon Beachy Aaron Harang
Josh Tomlin Jeff Karstens Joaquin Benoit Gavin Floyd Brian Wilson
Ivan Nova Ubaldo Jimenez Brandon Beachy Jeff Karstens Chris Perez
Brandon League Jeff Niemann Gavin Floyd Joel Peralta Joe Saunders
Rafael Betancourt Edwin Jackson Jeff Karstens Joaquin Benoit Tim Stauffer
Guillermo Moscoso Josh Johnson Sergio Santos Sergio Santos Antonio Bastardo
Aaron Harang Ivan Nova Tony Sipp Philip Humber Eric O'Flaherty
Joe Saunders Mark Melancon Vinnie Pestano Josh Tomlin Koji Uehara
Tim Stauffer Mariano Rivera Philip Humber Ivan Nova Edward Mujica
Grant Balfour Chris Sale Josh Tomlin Vinnie Pestano Sergio Romo
Neftali Feliz Guillermo Moscoso Ivan Nova Jordan Walden Carlos Marmol
David Hernandez J.J. Putz Chris Sale Guillermo Moscoso Max Scherzer
Jesse Crain Grant Balfour Guillermo Moscoso Aaron Harang Bruce Chen
Joel Peralta David Hernandez Aaron Harang Joe Saunders Bud Norris
Brian Wilson Mark Buehrle Brandon League Tim Stauffer Freddy Garcia
Chris Perez Daniel Bard Jeff Samardzija Jeff Samardzija Rafael Betancourt
Daniel Bard Kyle Farnsworth Joe Saunders Tony Sipp Scott Downs
Jeff Samardzija Joel Hanrahan Tim Stauffer Chris Sale Joakim Soria
Vinnie Pestano Casey Janssen Jordan Walden Brandon League Jeff Niemann
Chris Sale Josh Tomlin Chris Perez Neftali Feliz Leo Nunez
Joaquin Benoit Joel Peralta Neftali Feliz Joe Smith Joel Peralta
Max Scherzer Freddy Garcia Brian Wilson Matt Belisle David Hernandez
Bruce Chen Jim Johnson Joe Smith Brian Wilson Josh Johnson
Bud Norris Jonathon Niese Glen Perkins Chris Perez Brandon Morrow
Freddy Garcia Jose Valverde Max Scherzer Max Scherzer Jeff Samardzija
Tony Sipp Ryan Madson Bruce Chen Bruce Chen Kyle Kendrick
Carlos Marmol Ryan Dempster Bud Norris Bud Norris Edwin Jackson
Jeff Niemann Joaquin Benoit Kenley Jansen Glen Perkins Jesse Crain
Matt Belisle Bruce Chen Ramon Ramirez Freddy Garcia Grant Balfour
Joe Smith Octavio Dotel Freddy Garcia Casey Janssen Chris Sale
Casey Janssen Scott Downs Casey Janssen Darren Oliver Bartolo Colon
Josh Johnson Glen Perkins Darren Oliver Kenley Jansen Casey Janssen
Brandon Morrow Matt Belisle Matt Belisle Jeff Niemann Javy Guerra
Kyle Kendrick Chad Billingsley Jeff Niemann Ramon Ramirez Erik Bedard
Edwin Jackson Ramon Ramirez Bill Bray Josh Johnson Kenley Jansen
Kenley Jansen Jordan Walden Josh Johnson Brandon Morrow Huston Street
Joakim Soria Tony Sipp Al Alburquerque Kyle Kendrick Vinnie Pestano
Ramon Ramirez Sam LeCure Brandon Morrow Bill Bray Matt Belisle
Bartolo Colon John Danks Octavio Dotel Edwin Jackson Al Alburquerque
Glen Perkins Homer Bailey Kyle Kendrick Al Alburquerque Roy Oswalt
Leo Nunez Carlos Marmol Edwin Jackson Carlos Marmol Joe Smith
Al Alburquerque Francisco Cordero Javier Lopez Jeremy Affeldt Ramon Ramirez
Darren Oliver Aroldis Chapman Jeremy Affeldt Bartolo Colon Paul Maholm
Erik Bedard Joe Saunders Bartolo Colon Kameron Loe Jason Vargas
Javy Guerra Trevor Cahill Chad Qualls Chad Qualls Joaquin Benoit
Octavio Dotel Roy Oswalt Santiago Casilla Octavio Dotel Daniel Bard
Huston Street Marco Estrada Carlos Marmol Jose Veras Santiago Casilla
Roy Oswalt Ernesto Frieri Erik Bedard Javier Lopez Tony Sipp
Jeremy Affeldt Joe Smith Jose Veras Joakim Soria Octavio Dotel
Santiago Casilla Brett Myers Huston Street Erik Bedard Andrew Bailey
Paul Maholm Mike Dunn Javy Guerra Santiago Casilla Chris Capuano
Bill Bray Chris Narveson Leo Nunez Leo Nunez Glen Perkins
Jason Vargas Darren Oliver LaTroy Hawkins Roy Oswalt Darren Oliver
Kameron Loe Aaron Crow Joakim Soria Cory Wade Kyle McClellan
Kyle McClellan Jason Vargas Cory Wade Paul Maholm Trevor Cahill
Cory Wade Tom Gorzelanny Kameron Loe Javy Guerra Jeremy Affeldt




0 #8 Todd Zola 2012-05-18 04:14
This is embarrassing as I messed up #2 - it is changed now - what do we think now?
0 #7 Patrick Wisniewski 2012-05-17 23:05
I know it's last years stats, I was just saying Kennedy was a nice suprise last year and helped me Four-Peat my work league 12-team Roto league, over $5100 in those just from baseball, Im trying to convince the wife that I need to go to Vegas or sit in on one of the Big money leagues....no matter how much cash I hand her at the end of Football, Baseball and Hockey season, it's only what it cst to her? This is an educated woman so she needs to understand, we both have Masters.

Also your website has been a HUGE help along with Rotowire and Baseball HQ in helping with the Four-peat and the crews on XM too!

They play re-runs at night sometimes, you and Lawr and a few of your site should have your own show too, look forward to you guys on RotoWire's show!
0 #6 Todd Zola 2012-05-17 21:47
Quoting Polka:
I know nobody is a lock, but Sabathis has been a model of consistancy the past 7 years or so, and has had a great offense hitting for him too, Kennedy is a stud, just wanted a few more season of dominance like last year, which was one of last seasin's nicer gifts.

Again -- this is based on WHAT HAPPENED. Do it with preseason projections and CC would be well ahead of IPK.
0 #5 John 2012-05-17 20:48
#'s 1 and 5 look best to me, with the lean towards 5, based on last years numbers. Can't see 2 closers being in the top 18 as is the case with column 2.
0 #4 Patrick Wisniewski 2012-05-17 20:48
I know nobody is a lock, but Sabathis has been a model of consistancy the past 7 years or so, and has had a great offense hitting for him too, Kennedy is a stud, just wanted a few more season of dominance like last year, which was one of last seasin's nicer gifts.
0 #3 Todd Zola 2012-05-17 04:54
Well, mo one is a lock for 20 wins. Only 3 got 20 last season, 3 in 2010 and there was no one that did it both seasons. No one did it in 2009.

Sabathia has only done it once.

Also, realize this was last season's stats -- Kennedy won 21 games.

Cc would he ranked higher based on 2012 projections.

This is going to be interesting -- you guys are going to be surprised what system led to #2 8)
0 #2 Patrick Wisniewski 2012-05-17 01:57
I'm going to take the 2nd list myself, Lee is ahead of Roy-Boy and Price, Cain,and the real legitimate #1 and #2 SP's are ahead of most closers, they way it should be...Greinke would be higher on my list as well. And C.C.would be top 10 regardless of system, never gets hurt, lock for 200 K's and 20 wins... and he's way more established then Ian Kennedy!
0 #1 John Verdello 2012-05-16 16:46
I'll take list two for several reason because neither Doug Fister or Tyler Clippard or Tim Hudson should be ranked ahead of King Felix ..plus Kimbrel is pretty high up - which I can see.

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